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Post by Admin2 on Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:41 pm

Travers wrote:I'm getting a bit pissed off with JF and their heavy censorship


It has been heading that way for some time.

The McCann mods break the forum rules, and broke them before and during the period when I was a Mod, and had the gall to suggest they did nothing wrong.

As has been observed by others, it is a McCann supporter forum and nothing more. Not that it will help the McCann's one iota.
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Post by pathfinder73 on Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:42 pm

I've had enough. I can't  believe the BS I'm reading on the abductor was hiding in the bedroom on Gerry's check. Madeleine was removed from the crime scene on that check before Kate's next due check to raise the alarm at 21:30. He had to use the key to enter the apartment on his return now being the nearest entrance.

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Post by Admin2 on Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:07 pm

pathfinder73 wrote:I've had enough. I can't  believe the BS I'm reading on the abductor was hiding in the bedroom on Gerry's check. Madeleine was removed from the crime scene on that check before Kate's next due check to raise the alarm at 21:30. He had to use the key to enter the apartment on his return now being the nearest entrance.

Quite right Pathfinder.

It is no longer just the joke forum, it is now the B.S. Forum.

The Mccann supporters there are in their own little fantasy world, and no help can be rendered. They are well past their sell by date.
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Post by Ayfive on Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:21 pm

When the preferred condition is "abduction" it is good for a laugh for the rest of us reading how evidence is bent/fabricated and fanciful tales woven around one known fact.
I noticed the portable furnace had a ceremonial dust off and fire up again last week.
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Post by enyam on Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:37 am

pathfinder73 wrote:I've had enough. I can't  believe the BS I'm reading on the abductor was hiding in the bedroom on Gerry's check. Madeleine was removed from the crime scene on that check before Kate's next due check to raise the alarm at 21:30. He had to use the key to enter the apartment on his return now being the nearest entrance.

The owner encourages it to ensure that posters of your calibre no longer have the stomach for it,long game being played and now coming to fruition.
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Post by enyam on Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:37 am

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pathfinder73 wrote:I've had enough. I can't  believe the BS I'm reading on the abductor was hiding in the bedroom on Gerry's check. Madeleine was removed from the crime scene on that check before Kate's next due check to raise the alarm at 21:30. He had to use the key to enter the apartment on his return now being the nearest entrance.

Quite right Pathfinder.

It is no longer just the joke forum, it is now the B.S. Forum.

The Mccann supporters there are in their own little fantasy world, and no help can be rendered. They are well past their sell by date.

It makes them feel better.
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Post by Admin2 on Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:28 am

enyam wrote:
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pathfinder73 wrote:I've had enough. I can't  believe the BS I'm reading on the abductor was hiding in the bedroom on Gerry's check. Madeleine was removed from the crime scene on that check before Kate's next due check to raise the alarm at 21:30. He had to use the key to enter the apartment on his return now being the nearest entrance.

Quite right Pathfinder.

It is no longer just the joke forum, it is now the B.S. Forum.

The Mccann supporters there are in their own little fantasy world, and no help can be rendered. They are well past their sell by date.

It makes them feel better.

Is that with or without the straight jackets ? lol!
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Re: Has this case driven some of the McCann supporters over the edge?

Post by Admin2 on Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:03 am

It is quite amusing to observe the supporters club desperately trying to convince others that there was an intruder in the apartment, knowing full well nothing exists to show there was.
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Post by Admin2 on Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:34 pm

I see 'the other place', namely here, has gotten to the hardened McCann supporters, including Mods.

Effectively, the jf has become nothing more than an offshoot of 'jatyk' and 'stop the myths'.

Also the refusal by the gruesome twosome to accept that they ingrequently remove and amend sceptic posts is ridiculous.
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Post by Texty on Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:16 pm

Admin wrote:Effectively, the jf has become nothing more than an offshoot of 'jatyk' and 'stop the myths
It seems to be helping to fill a gap in the deluded supporter market, following the apparent disappearance of the main JATYK protagonist.

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Post by Travers on Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:33 pm

The thing that has always amazed me about the supporters club is their belief that what they say makes any difference.
Who are they kidding?
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Post by GLOBAL MODERATOR on Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:45 pm

Travers wrote:The thing that has always amazed me about the supporters club is their belief that what they say makes any difference.
Who are they kidding?

They are demented and they can't understand why the McCanns aren't treated like heroes.

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Post by Watcher on Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:39 pm

Admin wrote:It is quite amusing to observe the supporters club desperately trying to convince others that there was an intruder in the apartment, knowing full well nothing exists to show there was.

Nobody suggested the presence of an intruder until it became obvious that the only way it could work, time-wise, was for the 'intruder' to be in the flat when Gerry was. In fact, the timing and position of the sighting should really have ruled the sighting OUT right at the start, which doubtless would have been the case if it had been left to the police
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Re: Has this case driven some of the McCann supporters over the edge?

Post by AJS on Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:51 am

"Nobody suggested the presence of an intruder until it became obvious that the only way it could work, time-wise, was for the 'intruder' to be in the flat when Gerry was. In fact, the timing and position of the sighting should really have ruled the sighting OUT right at the start, which doubtless would have been the case if it had been left to the police."

Hello Watcher. And my, my, didn't they make it "work" over the weekend on the famous typed timeline!

"…Shoes may have been a semi-formal brogue…his clothing did not seem to be of UK origin and may well have been purchased in Portugal…motionless/limp in the man's arms consistent with her sleeping or possibly drugged…MO goes to check on 5A via the patio gate entrance. The outside gate is probably shut, but the child gate on the stairs up to the patio is possibly open…KM leaves table to check children in 5A. The patio gate is closed and the child gate is also probably closed.”

They deserve life for insulting our intelligence, if nothing else. Oh, and we have the wonderful,  "He then goes to the toilet to urinate."

He wasn't the only one taking the piss.

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Post by Saldo on Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:09 am

This forum has been discussed on jatyk by the bleating Gin drinker Moderator.Thanks for the advertising. drunken drunken

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Post by Admin2 on Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:23 am

AJS wrote:"Nobody suggested the presence of an intruder until it became obvious that the only way it could work, time-wise, was for the 'intruder' to be in the flat when Gerry was. In fact, the timing and position of the sighting should really have ruled the sighting OUT right at the start, which doubtless would have been the case if it had been left to the police."

Hello Watcher. And my, my, didn't they make it "work" over the weekend on the famous typed timeline!

"…Shoes may have been a semi-formal brogue…his clothing did not seem to be of UK origin and may well have been purchased in Portugal…motionless/limp in the man's arms consistent with her sleeping or possibly drugged…MO goes to check on 5A via the patio gate entrance. The outside gate is probably shut, but the child gate on the stairs up to the patio is possibly open…KM leaves table to check children in 5A. The patio gate is closed and the child gate is also probably closed.”

They deserve life for insulting our intelligence, if nothing else. Oh, and we have the wonderful,  "He then goes to the toilet to urinate."

He wasn't the only one taking the piss.

Thank you Watcher and AJS for those posts. Nicely put.
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Post by Admin2 on Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:36 am

Saldo wrote:This forum has been discussed on jatyk by the bleating Gin drinker Moderator.Thanks for the advertising. drunken drunken

Now there's a surprise.

To the Gin drinker, as you have admitted reading here. I asked to be removed from the jf, after my complaints about your and your fellow McCann supporting mod abusive and biased behaviour were repeatedly ignored. Your grasp of reality leaves a lot to be desired.

Meanwhile, both jatyk and stm are both dead ducks.
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Post by Watcher on Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:05 pm

AJS wrote:"Nobody suggested the presence of an intruder until it became obvious that the only way it could work, time-wise, was for the 'intruder' to be in the flat when Gerry was. In fact, the timing and position of the sighting should really have ruled the sighting OUT right at the start, which doubtless would have been the case if it had been left to the police."

Hello Watcher. And my, my, didn't they make it "work" over the weekend on the famous typed timeline!

"…Shoes may have been a semi-formal brogue…his clothing did not seem to be of UK origin and may well have been purchased in Portugal…motionless/limp in the man's arms consistent with her sleeping or possibly drugged…MO goes to check on 5A via the patio gate entrance. The outside gate is probably shut, but the child gate on the stairs up to the patio is possibly open…KM leaves table to check children in 5A. The patio gate is closed and the child gate is also probably closed.”

They deserve life for insulting our intelligence, if nothing else. Oh, and we have the wonderful,  "He then goes to the toilet to urinate."

He wasn't the only one taking the piss.

Morning AJS,
Yes, it went from a 'fleeting glimpse of man with child' to a comprehensive description consistent with an observer with OCD and a telescope.
It would be very interesting to get hold of their entire output from that weekend. In addition to the typed nonsense and the morphing of "of the child, she could only see the legs" into "Female, Caucasian, 3 to 4 years old", they also apparently gave witness statements to the Control Risks people.
I have always wondered about those 'statements'.
When they rocked up to the Amber Alert launch, some naughty person had apparently 'leaked' their witness statements to the press, in an attempt to scupper them. However, the passages quoted were not from the witness statements they gave to the PJ. They spoke of the "Why didn't you come when we cried?" moment, but in the "leaked" version they claimed to have "discussed it briefly and agreed to keep a closer eye on the children".

In my opinion they were leaked deliberately by someone in the McCann camp. They would be unlikely to have access to the original police witness statements, but they would have the Control Risks versions and frankly, it's the wanky language used which convinces me.
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Post by Watcher on Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:11 pm

Admin wrote:
Saldo wrote:This forum has been discussed on jatyk by the bleating Gin drinker Moderator.Thanks for the advertising. drunken drunken

Now there's a surprise.

To the Gin drinker, as you have admitted reading here. I asked to be removed from the jf, after my complaints about your and your fellow McCann supporting mod abusive and biased behaviour were repeatedly ignored. Your grasp of reality leaves a lot to be desired.

Meanwhile, both jatyk and stm are both dead ducks.

It doesn't look like anyone has posted on jatyk for ages, and STM mainly consists of Honestbroker obsessing over Martin Grime like a big gay stalker. I'm not even sure if 'Pedro' is still lighting imaginary candles.
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Post by GLOBAL MODERATOR on Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:17 pm

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Post by AJS on Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:30 pm

"Yes, it went from a 'fleeting glimpse of man with child' to a comprehensive description consistent with an observer with OCD and a telescope."

It is easy to work out how long she had:  "hurrying" man's speed is roughly 6500 metres per hour across a measured angle of view from where she claims to have been -  but I leave that to the police. It is in the << 10 seconds range. At, to be generous, dusk.

From those low seconds deduct at least one/two for peripheral image to register and be recognized; deduct a further fraction  for normal ambulatory vision needs  - otherwise you walk into a f*****g lamppost.

But that is nothing compared with the real elephant in the room. Making the usual requests for indulgence for my  belief that Grange  is performing and that their files won't be consigned to a Hitler's bunker-type bonfire,  we have the files surrounding the "revelation".

Included in those are the identity of the crèche parent with a child. And somewhere, even if the files produce no photos of him and the artist's process which was used to create the images converting bundleman to parent, there will be photographs of him. They'll find the way into the public domain one way or another.

Then we'll see for ourselves what factual basis there was for the Nine's fantasy and a real image of what JT saw. I'm sure she'll be looking forward to the release of those images, won't she? Vindicating her and all that. Or perhaps not.

There's only one reason, of course,  why they haven't been released and why JT hasn't asked for them to be released and why the parent hasn't identified himself: they are absolute dynamite for a future trial. Not for a trial of any "abductor", either but for others.


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Post by enyam on Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:44 pm

AJS wrote:
But that is nothing compared with the real elephant in the room. Making the usual requests for indulgence for my  belief that Grange  is performing and that their files won't be consigned to a Hitler's bunker-type bonfire,  we have the files surrounding the "revelation".

Included in those are the identity of the crèche parent with a child. And somewhere, even if the files produce no photos of him and the artist's process which was used to create the images converting bundleman to parent, there will be photographs of him. They'll find the way into the public domain one way or another.

Then we'll see for ourselves what factual basis there was for the Nine's fantasy and a real image of what JT saw. I'm sure she'll be looking forward to the release of those images, won't she? Vindicating her and all that. Or perhaps not.

There's only one reason, of course,  why they haven't been released and why JT hasn't asked for them to be released and why the parent hasn't identified himself: they are absolute dynamite for a future trial. Not for a trial of any "abductor", either but for others.

Still can't see it being concluded because of lack of evidence,but the point about grange not releasing any details is a salient one,the powder needs to be kept dry lest it does result in a trial.
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Post by AJS on Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:13 pm

Hello. Well, I won't labour this too much but, of course, if the tapas 9 version is accepted - and both police forces say they aren't suspects - then there is no reason why Grange should not proudly release the identity and the artwork that shows how truthful everyone was and how everything tallies perfectly with what JT ("I know what I saw") saw.

And there is no reason why the parent shouldn't proudly identify himself and kill off any worries about JT's sighting. Why not? He has helped the investigation.So no harm can be done to anyone.  

And, naturally, there is no reason why Jane Tanner shouldn't be shouting from the rooftops - "look this photo of the parent and these drawings show just how accurate my sighting was - the clothes are the same, the haircut. Now you know I was telling the truth!"

So why hasn't she? Why has she, an innocent witness, not insisted on giving her reactions publicly? And the answer is that Grange has asked her and the parent for silence.

But look - they can't ask them for silence  permanently, can they? They have no legal right to do so and JT's solicitor would blow them out with ease - she has a HR to respond to possible aspersions on her. They can only have asked them to hold off until a definite date or event as a request for assistance in the legal process. Just as it looks very like they have asked the press for similar restraint ("we are not going to discuss this") - unlike their  very different attitude to the (unimportant) Freud stuff.

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Post by Admin2 on Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:55 pm

enyam wrote:
AJS wrote:
But that is nothing compared with the real elephant in the room. Making the usual requests for indulgence for my  belief that Grange  is performing and that their files won't be consigned to a Hitler's bunker-type bonfire,  we have the files surrounding the "revelation".

Included in those are the identity of the crèche parent with a child. And somewhere, even if the files produce no photos of him and the artist's process which was used to create the images converting bundleman to parent, there will be photographs of him. They'll find the way into the public domain one way or another.

Then we'll see for ourselves what factual basis there was for the Nine's fantasy and a real image of what JT saw. I'm sure she'll be looking forward to the release of those images, won't she? Vindicating her and all that. Or perhaps not.

There's only one reason, of course,  why they haven't been released and why JT hasn't asked for them to be released and why the parent hasn't identified himself: they are absolute dynamite for a future trial. Not for a trial of any "abductor", either but for others.

Still can't see it being concluded because of lack of evidence,but the point about grange not releasing any details is a salient one,the powder needs to be kept dry lest it does result in a trial.

A trial seems a tad unlikely, and certainly not in the UK.

Portugal would have first pick in that eventuality.

I still see at some point that OG will be closed down and a statement will be made to the effect that the investigation cannot proceed any further due to lack of leads.

I would be pleased to be proved wrong.
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Post by Grom on Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:44 pm

AJS wrote:Hello. Well, I won't labour this too much but, of course, if the tapas 9 version is accepted - and both police forces say they aren't suspects - then there is no reason why Grange should not proudly release the identity and the artwork that shows how truthful everyone was and how everything tallies perfectly with what JT ("I know what I saw") saw.

And there is no reason why the parent shouldn't proudly identify himself and kill off any worries about JT's sighting. Why not? He has helped the investigation.So no harm can be done to anyone.  

And, naturally, there is no reason why Jane Tanner shouldn't be shouting from the rooftops - "look this photo of the parent and these drawings show just how accurate my sighting was - the clothes are the same, the haircut. Now you know I was telling the truth!"

So why hasn't she? Why has she, an innocent witness, not insisted on giving her reactions publicly? And the answer is that Grange has asked her and the parent for silence.

But look - they can't ask them for silence  permanently, can they? They have no legal right to do so and JT's solicitor would blow them out with ease - she has a HR to respond to possible aspersions on her. They can only have asked them to hold off until a definite date or event as a request for assistance in the legal process. Just as it looks very like they have asked the press for similar restraint ("we are not going to discuss this") - unlike their  very different attitude to the (unimportant) Freud stuff.

I have often wondered why Operation Grange didn't simply appeal for information about Smithman while leaving Tannerman as a possibility. Their mission, according to A C Rowley, is to help the parents. The parents were quite happy for both men to be considered; Kate points out the similarities between their outfits in her book. Eliminating Tannerman left Gerry and Matthew with some moving doors which could no longer be blamed on him, so that wasn't very helpful, was it?

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